Rick Porrello: Mr. Pistone, I would like to thank you for spending some time with us at AmericanMafia.com. Before we get started I'd like to update our records. May I have your current address, phone number, description of your car and a current close-up photo. Seriously, it is a privilege to have you with us. And as police officer it is indeed a honor to interview a law enforcer whose courage, skill and success in the war against organized crime are legendary and whose movie about his life, Donnie Brasco, has a permanent place as one of the legendary mob films and of course stars Al Pacino and Johnny Depp.
Congratulations on the release of your latest book, The Way of the Wiseguy. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Though it certainly doesn't read like one, it's like a textbook, or better yet, a field manual about the mobster mentality. And written from the inside! With a lot of tense moments, shock and humor. Definitely a lot of funny moments in your experiences. I g ot a real kick out of the wiseguy who visited you on the Donnie Brasco set to ask a favor for his kid, a budding actor. And it's facscinating how, as The Way of the Wiseguy details, your law enforcement career continued with dangerous undercover roles in the Mafia despite that fact that you were in hiding from a $500,000 contract on your life as a result of Donnie Brasco. Why dont you start by telling us a little about your life before the FBI. Where did your interest in a law enforcement career come from?
Joe Pistone: I grew up around wiseguys on the streets of Paterson, New Jersey, but I never got involved with them. I always worked all kinds of blue-collar jobs: in construction, in bars, driving tractor trailers. But for some reason, I had this idea that I could be an FBI agent. There were no cops in my family, and no role models who suggested I get into law enforcement. It was just this thing of mine. My first government job was with the Office of Naval Intelligenc e, investigating drug, theft, and espionage cases. Then I passed the FBIs entrance exams and became a special agent in 1969. Very quickly, my specialty became clear: undercover.
RP: How did the assignment to infiltrate the mob happen? Was it something you were working on more yourself, as opposed to an assignment? And how was the specific Bonanno crew chosen as a target?
JP: The job to infiltrate the Bonanno crime family started out as a six-month operation and ended up lasting about six years. I talk all about the beginnings of this operation in my new book The Way of the Wiseguy.
RP: Where did the name Donnie Brasco come from? Its got a nice ring to it but isn't exactly dripping with algio olio. You were penetrating a La Cosa Nostra crew, mostly Italian-Americans. Why not Vinny Tagliatelle, Geno Badalamenti or Nunzio Giacolona?
JP: I heard the name in a book or movie somewhere and remembered it at the start of the operation. It sounded like a good e nough name, and it worked out for me in a previous undercover operation busting up a truck hijacking ring. But most of the Bonanno wiseguys called me Donnie the Jeweler anyway.
RP: You have highly praised Johnny Depp for his portrayal of you. In the movie, Donnie Brascos FBI role blurs and he becomes dangerously close with Lefty Ruggiero, played of course by Al Pacino. Did the movie embellish this friendship?
JP: I was very close to Lefty and his family. If he wasnt a killer and a complete criminal, he would have been a good guy. I spent many hours with Lefty just shooting the shit about all kinds of things. Ate dinner at his house. But in the end I was not sorry about helping put him or any of the others in jail. After all, if any of them, including Lefty, knew I was with the FBI, they would have put two in my head without thinking twice.
RP: Set straight what happened to Lefty. The movie makes it look like his murder was inevitable.
JP: We picked up Lefty on other charges the day after my identity was revealed. If we didnt do it, he would have surely been whacked. He spent a few years in prison and after he got out he died of a heart attack.
RP: What happened when you were pulled out of the Donnie Brasco role? And talk about edge-of-the-seat suspense? Were you actually that close to having to whack someone? If so, did you have a plan B?
JP: By the time the Bureau decided to pull me out, I had been proposed to become a member of the Mafia the only federal agent ever to infiltrate the family to that level. The Bonannos did want me to make a hit, and I was probably a day or two away from doing so, though I never would have carried it out, no matter what the circumstances.
RP: Who were the men killed as a result of having been duped by Donnie Brasco? How did you feel knowing that your role contributed to their murders? And how did the mob further deal with this unprecendened penetration of their secret s ociety?
JP: A few wiseguys were hit very soon after Donnie Brasco was uncovered, and theres no doubt that it was their connection with Donnie that got them whacked. The way they were murdered shows this, and I give the details in the book.
RP: Tell us about the CD that's included with The Way of the Wiseguy.
JP: The CD includes the content of several surveillance tapes that were recorded during the Donnie Brasco operation. They are conversations between myself and Lefty Two Guns Ruggiero discussing a sit-down that took place with the Bonanno crime family regarding me, my identity, and my life. If the wiseguys ever knew that I was recording these conversations, I would have been whacked. These tapes provided damaging evidence in court that helped put these guys away.
RP: In Way of the Wiseguy you mention how mobsters love Mafia movies. Tell us about this.
JP: Theres a whole section in the book called Why Wiseguys Love Donnie Brasco that says it a ll. But these guys dont go around talking like they do in The Godfather moives. You wont hear them quoting Shakespeare or even speaking in complete sentences half the time. When you hear the audio tape between Lefty and me, youll hear how disjointed the conversations can be.
RP: Many people ask if the Mafia is dead. Do you still keep tabs on La Cosa Nostra? What is your take on their current status?
JP: Sure I keep involved and remain interested and aware of whats going on. And I can tell you that the Mafia has clearly changed for the worse. The organized part of organized crime became a shadow of what it once was. But its not dead and probably never will be. Theres a chapter in the book called Old Wiseguys, New Wiseguys that talks all about the current state of the mob.
RP: Joe, you're success is multi-faceted. I thank you for being with us at AmericanMafia.com. This interview will be no doubt be a hit. No pun intended. And we will feature it for months to come. I encourage readers to check out The Way of the Wiseguy which is available through the AmericanMafia.com-Amazon.com bookstore and of course Donnie Brasco, the book and movie are also available. Joe, I wish you success with The Way of the Wiseguy and all your future endeavors.
JP: Thank you. Ill be touring through the US and Canada at the end of April and hope to see a lot of fans and interested readers while Im on the road.
April, 2004
About the Author:
A cop in suburban Cleveland, Rick Porrello, serendipitously began his writing career when curiosity about the mysterious murder of his grandfather along with the deaths of several uncles led to penning his first true crime saga, The Rise and Fall of the Cleveland Mafia. Porrello went on to write a second book, To Kill the Irishman: The War That Crippled the Mafia which recounts the story of Irish-American racketeer Danny Greene who took on the Cleveland Mafia and was murdered in 1977. The tale w as heralded by Midwest Book Review as ...must reading for anyone with an interest in the workings of organized crime. Here is a true-life story more dramatic than anything to ever come out of a Hollywood movie. To Kill the Irishman has subsequently been optioned for a major motion picture. His most recent title, Superthief - A Master Burglar, the Mafia and the Biggest Bank Heist in U.S. History won a ForeWord Magazine true crime award has also been optioned for a film.
See http://www.superthief.com and http://www.americanMafia.com
Author:: Rick Porrello
Keywords:: Joe Pistone, Donnie Brasco, Mafia, Johnny Depp, Rick Porrello, americanMafia.com, Way of the Wiseguy
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